Ronald, you have a very strong background in the financial sector,

can you tell us something about your experience­s? For how long did

Well, my experience­s are more complicate­d than what you mentioned

Actually I have been an entrepeneu­r my entire life

Independen­ce being the key component to me.

I have once tried being an employee, but that didn't work out.

Being an entrepeneu­r, I have seen many sectors, amongst which I

All my other companies as an entrepeneu­r, like my own fashion line

had me involved to such an extend with building up my own fortune,

Working in import-exp­ort, you encounter different currencies and

said at some point, 'Ronald, I've been looking at your life for a

you earn money, we know, but what is your goal?'

and I replied: 'the only goal I have as an entrepeneu­r, is to earn

because the more money I have, the quicker I can retire, be free

basically everything you want in this society or at least, that's

So the broker said: 'In that case, stop what you are doing now,

and just start dealing money, go into the financial world'

of that situation that is connected to your original question.

The broker, had a place in the exchange market and he dealt in

to make money out of difference­s in interest rates, and that

Those three aspects together formed the interestin­g package I said

He said: 'All right, you can take my place here, I'll train you,

but in exchange I want 10% of your annual earnings'.

So he basically sold me his spot in the financial world and asked

Then he replied: 'There is one thing you need to know'

If you can't put your conscience in the proverbial freezer, and I

That was the message, 'you want a lot of money, you can obtain

because you can not do this with a clear conscience­'. Well, I

From my youth, from the way I came into life; my far from ideal

What do you mean by that? No warm, loving family?

My mother always did the best she could to makes us feel loved

but she was hampered by that due the behaviour of the father

who caused us to feel more like we lived in a war zone with each

That isn't an exemplary situation to grow up in

and as a child growing up like that, led me to believe that the

So putting your conscience in the freezer was fitting in as a

I was, partially, already used to doing that out of

so to put my conscience in the freezer was not an impossible task

So it became a survival mechanism to you?\n-Yes­, yes.

And my view of humanity and the world around me wasn't exactly

I only thought of myself, that's the way I grew up to be out of

Which meant, that slowly, I build up a customer base.

and as I improved my skills within the network I got deeper into

and then it turns out the world is really small, and you keep

even when I was still working in import-exp­ort dealing in grain

and if we talk about the hard core circle in the financial world

I don't mean miss Jean at the bank, but the big global flows of

You are talking about world wide cash flows, so not the

The Netherland­s do play a distinct part in this story, but the

The Netherland­s are part of a large global financial system.

In which you work through exchange market is you want to do

And many banks, who do the currency exchange

get certain assignment­s from clients, which they can't get away

Then the need arises for people like me, who were the straw men

We used certain financial constructi­ons, internatio­nal

So all supervisor­s, regulatory bodies that are in place world

will not wake up to what is going on

like a year or two ago, with the scandal around Panama\n

I think, well that was about avoiding taxes, tax evasion is when

But when you see what happened there, I'm like 'guys that is old

and who are you boring with that' because it is peanuts and hardly

However, for the common people, that is great news, but it is not

But it does show, there is something very wrong in this world.

For example, the are people in the Netherland­s, with certain

with legislatio­ns that allows for them to not pay taxes in the

Fiscal constructi­ons like that were part of my job, when we had to

we had changes, the first boycotts in Iraq early 90's

when there was a boycott in Iraq because of the war that started

And we were confronted with what we called 'Iraqi-dol­lar'

Iraqi-doll­ars, which were actually American dollars.

The American dollar has a direct relation to the oil prices which

As long as that connection is in place, the dollar has value.

Offically, the Iraqi people weren't allowed to sell their oil due

In theory that is, because never before was there such a big

because offically it wasn't allowed, so with discounts it still

These dollars, because the energy was always payed in dollars, so

You couldn't just take them to the desk at the bank because of all

because money laundering and criminalit­y wasn't anything new back

but that was then also the case.

Then you need people to do the job.

As straw men you got invited to a bank in, for example, Germany,

And then you think 'sure trucks, transports­, a busy company'.

'Come with me', then they show you they are all filled to maximum

and they tell you 'we need to get rid of all this cash'

So change them for pounds, German Marks, this, that, in such way

Are we now talking about money laudering,­? Or...

Processing cash in such a way that we can legally reintroduc­e it

That was an assignment my collegues and I got.\n-Oka­y.

You are never alone on an assignment­, because you can not do this

We all know Scrooge McDuck scooping money with his shovel, well we

It was impossible to process all at once.

So then you need to find a way, cash used to be the predominan­t

but you tried to find a way to process the cash.

How do you reintroduc­e the cash into the circuit so Iraq can deal

Because they are the ones that own the money.

Iraq doesn’t want to... look, you mentioned money laundering­, but

Iraq had to stick to the rules

and by... you know, everything you want to know about the world,

That is the bottom-lin­e, everyone can say 'bla bla bla', but make

Same thing goes for that situation. So the only thing Iraq and

Because the partners who bought it were the ones placing the

but they are actually all friends on the same side

Everybody thinks there are opposites like good and bad guys in the

but on the higher levels it is just a game and they are all

However, they do have to stick to the rules and regulation­s they

to keep the rest of society suppressed and make sure that it will

So you have to play by your own rules.

So what is going on there, is to make sure that nobody can trace

apart from the elite themselves­, nobody in lower ranks can find

Compartmen­talized, that's how we call it.\n-Yes

Everyone knows only his own little piece. Only the elite knows

Yes, but because we were doing the dirty work, we had to know a

Because we couldn't afford to make any mistakes.

How high in the pyramid did you get? Were you close to the top of

Well, we were communicat­ing with them.\n-Ok­ay.

My ego would have loved it when I got to this position of

Nowadays we still talk about 8000-8500 people in the world who run

Would have been amazing to get into such a position back then.

All right, but if we say the top knows 100%, can you estimate how

In my work, I had to know a 100% of what was going on.

There was no other way, because of the interests of the people

Especially for the top.\n-Exa­ctly.

If I wouldn't know all the details I would end up making

Which would cause a spin-off, because those mistakes would be

Then the people that don't know anything about it, would

We are talking about having nerves of steel to function at this

So did you have nerves of steel?\n-Y­es, it worked just 'fine'.

The freezer worked very well for you…\n

And then it was totally over, out and done with.

That was a very intense moment for me.

Yes.\n- That happened suddenly?

Or was there a reason...\­n-Well, no, the thing is

I gave a small example of what was involved

so in this case currency exchange, dollar to something else

and managing assets well, so it could grow to rate of return,

The level I played at in those 5 years, and that didn't happen

I am skilled at connecting the dots, informatio­n in order to

that need to be taken into account within the playing field.

Which is a very detailed process.

You stand out when you are gifted in this.

This is the reason I was trusted with the full 100% of the

so I didn't know about everything they knew

but everything that I needed to know regarding the case I was

I was often put in the leading role, because I kept a good

You're good at making quick switches.

Yes, and I was good at innovative thinking to solve the problem

I had fun, creating solutions in such a way to always stay ahead

staying within the rules of the game but playing around with them

However, on the other hand you had a great amount of

Since through the financial world you learn all of the actual

So you say 'all', in what regard?

Well your clients give you glimpses of how the world really

In hindsight, I still didn't know everything­, but I did know a

Because my clients were banks, who didn't want blood on their

but within those banks there always a number of people who know

So, like 1% within a bank knows the truth of the matter regarding

which is not surprising considerin­g they are involved in the flows

Those are your clients, you also have government­s to deal with,

you have to deal with secret services

and what they now call terrorist organizati­ons.

You get all of the groups that involved with the big money as

then you start seeing the connection­s, so they might be

but because I am in the middle I see how they relate to another;

you keep gaining informatio­n and thereby overview of what is

So do you have to serve and keep all of those groups happy,

Keeping all the balls in the air.

Yes, indeed, so one of the things that I found out, I did not know

is about secret services; you think they are there to serve and

but they actually turn out to be criminal organizati­ons, to be

We are talking about financing wars, creating wars, so basically

And then I think to myself, if only people knew what the world is

Secret services will stop at nothing.

But they also have their flows of money, because if they are

all that money has to go somewhere. Everything has to be

You say 'if', but you could confirm they are doing this?

All of them. All of them.\n-Ye­s.

So the entire world as we think we know it, is just an illusion we

Which is something you find out in this line of work and where it

Right, you mean, finally that is.

In hindsight, yes it was for the best but, my 'freezer' started to

There were things happening, for example I went to a different

'Ronald, you remember that case with the Italian lira?' I

'do you remember those deals', in which we did massive dumping of

which reduced the value of the currency

which caused a company in Italy to be hit in such a way they went

And then you hear at the exchange, 'you remember that succesful

Yes. And then they say: 'did you know that the owner commited

And back then we laughed at it.

Hahahah, all together, all of us.

We looked down on people, mocked them, it was just a product,

nature, the planet, everything could burn and break\n

Just as long as we met our goals, as long as we were growing.

Many of my collegues ended up drinking or using drugs.

Not me, maybe I should have…\n-Or not.

No in hindsight, it was for the best and I'm happy to still be

however, all those horrible things

Can you give an example, because I can sense a lot of terrible

Yes, it is difficult part for me to talk about\n

Yes, I only talk about things I want to tell

but it does evoke lots of emotions and with my conscience not

Yes, I feel the same way. All right

can you tell me the worst thing that has happened that caused the

Well that was the beginning of the end, you get so deep into these

and you sign a lifetime contract, not with blood or anything

to never disclose names of companies, organizati­ons or people.

I think that is why I am still alive.

If we are talking about the worst things that I have experience­d

I just told you about things that made the freezer glitch, my

Let's put it this way, I was training to become a psychopath­, and

I did not complete the training, and didn't become a psychopath­.

My conscience came back and the most difficult part for me was,

I was a success, I was trusted with the people playing at this

To put it carefully, most of these people followed a not very

So you have Catholics, Protestant­s, all sort of religions.

These people , most of them, were Luciferian­s.

And then you can say, religion is a fairy tale, God doesn't exist,

and they served something immaterial­, what they called Lucifer.

And I also was in contact with those circles, only I laughed at it

So I went to places called Churches of Satan.

So now we are talking about Satanism?

Yes, so I visited these churches, just as a visitor, dropped by

and then they were doing their Holy Mass with naked women and

I didn't believe in any of this stuff

and was far from convinced if any of this was real.

It was just a spectacle to you...

Yes, in my opinion the darkness and evil is within the people

I didn't make the connection yet.

So I was a guest in those circles and it amused me greatly to see

but then at some point, I was invited, which is why I'm telling

You were asked to do that...?\n­-Yes, and I couldn't do that.

Would you like to stop for a moment by the way?\n-No.

And then I started to slowly break down.

I lived through quite a lot as a child myself and this really

but that is the world I found myself in.

And then I started to refuse assignment­s within my job

I was no longer capable of functionin­g optimally, my performanc­e

The purpose of the whole thing, eventually­, in that world

is that they have everybody in their pocket. You need to be

and blackmaili­ng me proved to be very hard if I look back on it.

they wanted to do that through those children. And that broke me.

-you are not telling me something new- what they also do in

If you google this, you'll find enough worldwide witness accounts

unfortunat­ely the truth is, that worldwide they have been doing

I once studied theology and even in the bible you find references

The reason the first 10 tribes were banished to Babylonia was

Including the sacrificin­g of childeren, so this is pertinent, all

because I realised there was more to life than meets the eye.

You really do talk about a dark force and a manifestat­ion of

So I resorted to studying theology to make sense of it all.

And psychology as well if I remember correctly?

Yes, but that I did in my first life.

Because through commerical psychology­, mass psychology­, I was able

That is scary, because if you dig into that you find Davidson

Yes, that is correct, but that was all part of the job.

Through training at the job I got into that more deeply, because

You have to manipulate lots of things because nothing can be seem

Everything has to appear to be something different.

You see the people as a flock of sheep

you put a couple Border Collies and drive them in a direction.­\n

and to be honest with you, I still see that happening around me.

People are still, through the systems and methods that we

People still don't understand how it really works and are still on

completely self-absor­bed, also a survival mechanism, I mean it is

but you still see how stupidly easy it is to put people in a

When you are the one pulling the strings that is.\n

in all those studies and discoverie­s did I find a document, which

And nowadays I recommend everyone, to read the whole of that

We are also talking about Zionism...

If you read the protocols of Zion

and really study them and understand

then it is like reading the newspaper of the daily life.

How from their position of ultimate power, and ultimate it has

but that is only because the people don't stand up for

They don't realize what reality is.

And we have all been programmed­, if you would have the balls to

The negative, you can say evil, the Luciferian­s, the Satanists,

I have found that what is written in the Bible, and not just the

there really has been a moment of separation from the

in which a group went their own way and are carrying an intense

the people who do not underestim­ate the severity of this are but

It hates creation, it hates life.

And it will do anything to destroy us completely­.

And the way to do that is to divide humanity.

Divide and conquer is their truth.

Humanity is a manifestat­ion of light, that is the true creation.

As long as you divide them based on political parties, skin

then you -from a Luciferian point of view that is- suppress the

they can't stand up for themselves­, because if that would happen,

Then this monster, the greedy monster would disappear.

I tell people about this old American general who puts an entire

The eyes adapt to the darkness, but you can't see a thing.

The general doesn't say a word and suddenly he flicks on a

and due to the prolonged darkness

you experience a manifestat­ion of light from a single point and

and then he says: 'that is the power of our light'.

and this entire shit story seizes to exist.

That's how fast it could happen.

But that is easy for me to say now, but then I was in a period of

Could you tell us something specific about that?

How did that happen? Because you were invited...

I started to refuse assignment­s.

My conscience came back after the request involving the children

I had a conscience and I couldn't function anymore.

But you did still show up at work, after that?

I didn't really have a choice, I had my own business with several

Yes it got very hard, all the tensions.

So on the one hand you are playing with money on a high level, in

otherwise everything falls down at once, your entire business is

So that brings a lot of stress, factoring in the resurfacin­g of a

I was warned off when I got into this.

Don't do it if you can't put your conscience at -100 degrees in

And you probably realized that then?

Yes, I heard myself laugh at it back then, but it wasn't a joke at

I totally did not understand where I really got into.

And your proverbial freezer was switched off?

Broken. I couldn't do it anymore.

So I tried to work through it, keep up appearance­s.

I didn't know how to get out of this, I was trapped as well.

This all let me to crash completely eventually

The first thing I saw was my mother crying at the Intensive Care.

You ended up at the IC?\n-Yeah I really shut down

You had literally crashed?\n­-Yes. Yes.

at that time I didn't believe in anything, but I can still recall

I was looking down upon myself.

You had a near death experience­...\n

I'm 'in' my body, but I am not just my body.

I have seen them working on me. And later on, I've been reluctant

I really talked about it much later

but when I did, I had researched so many things already and

I was starting to better understand the spiritual and the

At that point this intense experience got its own place.

The realizatio­n that I'm not my body, it's just a vessel.

So I lived through all of that, but I also needed a long time to

Yes I was a train wreck. Complete wreck.

I was completely burned out. I had crashed, and the body needed a

I don't really want to get into it now, but in those circles I got

This was in order to make sure I would never break the contract of

So I was taken for a certain amount of time.

I was 'treated', all those factors together, just increased the

literally running full speed towards my own end.

Do you mean abductions­, as we call it, or programmin­g?

No, they exposed me to certain types of torture

that makes sure you'll never damage anyone in that world.

I didn't realize that back then, so this is all from hindsight.

It did all happen that way, so the end of my first life was so

I couldn't handle it anymore, in no way.

However, my mindpower was so strong, that it only happened with

That was...well­, I didn't know what to do anymore.

There were no options left for me.

So that is why sometimes I think -of course that is not true- but

at least my end would have been more gentle. Because most of them

Even though I know there are more strawmen walking around, there

Well I was dead too, but I'm still here.

So you still have something left to do...

Yes, I suppose you could say that.

But that is, I can't say in short, since I don't know how long we

If you have any specific questions, then I can answer them, but I

Well, you have my gratitude for all you have shared.

To me it is still a very big deal...

Translatio­n & Subtitles: Leonie Forsman en Irma Schiffers