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Out-of-Body Experiences Explained? with English subtitles  

Kevin how do you explain out-of-body

experiences there's actually very little

to no controversy in the neurologic

circles about out-of-body experiences if

one of the remarkable things is that

they're actually very common one in 20

people are going to have an odd abadi

experience in their lifetime so if you

look around you you're there's quite a

few people in this room in fact often

times when I speak people come up to me

afterwards and say geez I had one of

those in her own ear told everybody

about it um so feel free to do that if

you choose um

but why are they so common well first

off there happens commonly during

syncope that is simple fainting harmless

fainting about 15% of people who faint

will have an out-of-body experience

during that faith and it can be you know

I've I have one subject who was a jet

fighter pilot he was making a sharp turn

and he began to get syncopal and boom he

was suddenly flying his jet from above

the cockpit he actually became a

neurologist after that the but most of

our many of the Autobot experiences

actually happened when we blend waking

and REM consciousness REM kite there are

three states of consciousness that we

have you know me brains only got three

choices it can be awake like many of you

seem to be and there's two state

conscious states of sleep there's the

non REM sleep and there's the REM sleep

the rapid eye movement sleep in the

hallmarks of that are profound visual

activation activation of the limbic

system and our emotional auto body

experiences is actually part of the REM

system bizarre dreams in the narrative

quality of that is during the REM state

we turn off an area called the temporal

parietal region now this is an area

about here which is important in

synthesizing our experiences it takes

information from our inner ear where we

are in the gravitational field it takes

our vision and it takes where our spotty

sense seems to be like where your right

foot is right now you didn't

know that before I mentioned it but now

you're thinking about it well that all

comes in this one area and if you

disturb this area or turn it off um then

like we do in REM sleep then you can

have a lotta body experience but why

would you have this sensation of you're

hovering above your body looking back

down the well they're all different you

can have very many different kinds of

out-of-body experiences you can be

looking from behind now there are none

that I'm aware of where you're down

below on the ground you can be off to

the side you can be behind you can be in

front you can be on top it's very common

to be above and that's a question I you

know like I think needs you know some

further thought but the important thing

is for example old blank a neurologist

and Switzerland has taken an electrode

in this area and you apply the current

it's about one hundredth of a 60-watt

light bulb we flip the switch on boom

their out-of-body they can be above they

can be hovering behind turn the switch

off their back in so you're going up and

down kind of like the elevator out there

you know up and down out of your body so

there are very you know and we've known

this for a long time and we've known

this since the 40s from all depend field

stimulated the temple area and produced

out-of-body experiences during their

surgery so we know that these can be

done on a very non spiritual and

threatening context in fact when we

looked at our 55 people with who've had

a near-death experience and looked at

their out-of-body experience

they were as likely to have an

out-of-body experience during REM

intrusion that is when Ram and waking

consciousness were blending as they were

to have it during the near-death

experience of so okay Peter do you

accept this explanation of out-of-body

experiences not much and there's certain

things I don't like about it and there

are certain things which I'll go along

with first of all they are very common

as you say no doubt about that and also

ordinary people will have out-of-body

experiences those to me aren't terribly

interesting

what are interesting to me or the

body experiences that you have during a

cardiac arrest because remember I said

that you have to know what the brain

state was and in cardiac arrests on the

whole we do know what the brain state is

particularly if they are in people who

are in a medical facility of some sort

now there are a lot of accounts of these

and one would normally think okay the

person comes out of their body and then

goes down the tunnel or something it's

not quite like that they come out of

their body and they perceive what is

going on around them now this is very

important if your brain is not

functioning or certainly as far as one

can get to a medical data it's not

functioning but that's the first thing

which is interesting the second thing is

they can get veridical or true

information of the environment around

them now if that is true then it

suggests that mind and brain can

separate so it's the first point and so

you have to look at these ones very

carefully because there is nothing in

our current science which suggests that

mind and brain can separate because our

science says the mind is created by the

brain so you need to look at these

experiences so the first thing is can

they get your information the next thing

about the experience is is that they

don't only get information from where

they are in the ORM they get it also by

going through walls and hearing

conversations from other people if you

look at the accounts then you will see

that the people whose conversations they

heard when they were unconscious

apparently were in different drums and

there's no way that they could hear it

now that's the data now you have to

interpret it well there been one or two

attempts to do this one of the things

that people when they come out of their

body say is that if there is an object

here you can see its top and its sides

that's alright but you can see it bottom

at the same time now that's not okay and

if you are out of your body you

shouldn't be able to go through a wall

because none of us can so that's not

okay either so what are these people

really

and they're one of two people who are

suggesting that maybe they're in a five

dimensional reality in other words is an

extra dimension that will allow you to

see tops and bottoms of things and allow

you to go through walls so it's just

another way of thinking about these

these phenomena and just taking them

from what they are and saying okay what

actually do they mean so although the

standard view would be well I can

explain this in many different ways but

if you actually just stick to the data

and see what it shows then it raises

some really interesting I want to come

back to Kevin okay what about these

stories of people apparently hearing

like something that's happening in

another room I mean their body isn't

even in that other room and then they

reports apparently with this

conversation

not much in a much less appealing accent

I might say the first off let's look at

the doubt because we really need to look

at the data the data isn't set in stone

in fact there's a lot of ways in which

people are aware of what's going on

around them and yet they appear dead for

example if you have a cardiac arrest

what happens to your eyes they open if

you see someone as a cardiac or watch

you're not I deal with them every week

they never open oh it's closed it's the

one thing I can assure you that as your

not looking at the right pocket I look

at that that's all I do

if study these and do recordings of

hearing cardiac arrest with Genesis or

general and see their channels the

anesthesiologists do what happens is

that the eyes themselves move up and the

eyelids are actually half open and half

closed and then during the course of

things actually the eyelids will come

down

so the initial movements up and then it

comes down and they're looking around so

people are actually taking in a lot more

visually and through their sound than

you may think

now what's one of the first neurologic

things that is damaged during lack of

blood flow of the brain it's memory

memory structures and that's actually

one of the last things to recover as

well the memory system is very very

activated during these

times of crisis to the brain now how we

you know bring memory in you know is is

a very complex problem there's a

mountain of scientific evidence that

shows that our memory is very valuable

and it's very suggestible and it's very

malleable

what someone may have said is you're her

in another room can be incorporated into

memory as a direct experience

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